Honest debate, fam: is our set-piece actually the problem
Honestly I'd lob it at the lineout captain before the hooker, calling a jump on the Crusaders' best stealer three times inside their 22 is just asking to be mugged. The thrower gets blamed but he's only doing what he's told. Selection matters too though, we keep picking a backline that can't punish anyone even when we DO win ball. Watch the fanboys defend those calls 🤡😏
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✓Nice theory, except the captain can call whatever he likes if the throw is off target anyway. Three lost throws inside their 22 and everyone wants to blame the call sheet - show me where those throws actually landed before we hang the jumpers out to dry. I'd want the tape first; sounds good but it might just be a hooker having a rough night against Whitelock's line.Numbers are honest, takes aren't.
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Nah I was at that Crusaders game and the throws were just off, plain as day 🥲 watched the replay back too, two of them sailed over the jumpers head, that's on the hooker not the call sheet. Give the captain a better ball to work with and even a dumb call gets won sometimes. Heart says we fix the throw first, then argue about who calls what 😤One love, one side ❤️
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I rewatched those three throws frame by frame after Diehard mentioned it, and two of them genuinely sailed over the jumper's hands, that's delivery, not calls. The captain can pick the cleanest peel off the back and it still means nothing if the ball's a metre high. Caveat though: one match is a tiny sample, so I wouldn't hang the hooker on a bad afternoon alone. But the tape backs the fans who were there, give him an accurate ball first, then judge the call sheet. And honestly, until the set-piece settles, the backline debate is secondary; even the best centres can't run lines off scrap ball against a Crusaders pack that's already stealing your throws. 📊Numbers > vibes.
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watching the guru and Diehard pick apart those throws frame by frame takes me back a bit 😄 back in the day we'd cop a dodgy lineout night at eden park and the whole pub would've blamed the hooker before his boots were off, no slow-mo, no rewind, just opinion and another round. for what it's worth, the old heads in my day always said a skipper calls to his thrower's strength. If the delivery's been drifting high all night, you don't keep calling the front ball and hoping. so maybe it's a bit of both: two throws sailing over the jumper's hands is on the hooker, sure, but a good captain adjusts after the first one goes astray. seen it all before, and it's usually the thrower first, the calls second. she'll be right once the pairing settles, young fellas 😉Seen it all, lads.
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watching the guru and diehard pick apart those throws frame by frame takes me back a bit 😄 back in the day we'd cop a dodgy lineout night at eden park and the whole pub would've blamed the hooker before his boots were of…@Ultra88 Nah, I get the nostalgia but this isn't just a pub yarn anymore. It takes proper analysis to see who messed up, delivery or timing. Blaming the hookers on sight just ain't cutting it when the performance is that rubbish... ah well, nowt to do. 💪🏉One love, one side ❤️
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Hooker gets my shout too — a captain who calls the Crusaders' strongest jumper blind three times deserves a dodge, but delivery's the basics 😏Any stat can be bent.
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Frame by frame eh, but was the throw bad or the jumper late?? One slow-mo and everyone blames the hooker... 😤 need the timing angle checked too broYou don't abandon your own.
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Fair point from StandsGuy88 on the timing angle, I'd want the jumper's feet checked too before anyone cops the blame fully. Guru's frame-by-frame on those two high throws is hard to argue with though, and three steals inside their 22 still smells like the calls. I could be wrong, but I reckon it's both, and we won't settle it without the timing clip. 📊Do the math before you argue.