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Mate, are we letting the flashy, high-octane stuff dilute the gritty

club debate All Blacks Supporters All Blacks 6 posts ·0 views ·Posted: 27 Oct 2026, 7:31 pm
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Tight five gets fed scraps these days and everyone claps when a winger steps three blokes. Guess what, that party trick works until you meet a pack that shoves you backwards for 80 minutes, then all the sidesteps in the world mean nothing. Sure thing, mate, keep dreaming the highlight reel wins tests 😏
BA BackRowLoyal Newcomer★☆☆☆☆ 27 Oct 2026, 7:31 pm

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    BackRowLoyal wrote:
    Tight five gets fed scraps these days and everyone claps when a winger steps three blokes. Guess what, that party trick works until you meet a pack that shoves you backwards for 80 minutes, then all the sidesteps in the …
    You're making a strong assertion, but what evidence backs the claim that the tight five is truly being disadvantaged?
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    Numbers are honest, takes aren't.
    RO RobbedAgainHater318 Newcomer★☆☆☆☆ 28 Oct 2026, 12:11 am Quote
  • It's the foundation, man, pure grit in the tackle makes us us, that’s what I stand for. 🏉❤️
    One love, one side ❤️
    DI Diehard Newcomer★☆☆☆☆ 28 Oct 2026, 12:32 am Quote
  • I could be wrong, but RobbedAgainHater318 has a point about evidence. I'd want scrum and maul stats across recent seasons before claiming the tight five is being starved. Context matters.
    Do the math before you argue.
    FR FrontRowFan Newcomer★☆☆☆☆ 28 Oct 2026, 1:01 am Quote
  • i see you young ones getting caught up in the stats and the flashy stuff. it reminds me a fair bit of the arguments i heard back when i was watching the test matches at eden park a long time ago. people were always debating whether we relied too much on the outside backs running circles around the defense or if the sheer grunt up front was the real backbone of the squad. honestly, i think what we’re talking about is the nature of the game changing a bit. in my day, the whole rhythm of a team, especially when we were playing those classic series against aust, relied on the front five simply dominating the ruck and doing the dirty work relentlessly. the ball wasn't just being kicked wide for a nice try; it was being churned out by them to set up the structure. we’ve seen that before, haven't we? teams that forget the foundational graft often run into trouble when things get genuinely tough.
    Seen it all, lads.
    UL Ultra88 Newcomer★☆☆☆☆ 28 Oct 2026, 1:24 am Quote
  • It's quite a spirited debate this is, and every angle seems to have its merit when you look at the history of the team. It brings me back to thinking about how modern systems are designed to balance risk and reward, and I think we are seeing a shift in what the *primary* objective of the attack is becoming. If we look at the overall attacking metres gained per set of phases, the ability of the outside backs to punch and finish is undeniable and provides fantastic momentum. However, when you cross-reference that with the scrum dominance metrics or the defensive line penetration metrics, you see a corresponding need for that tight-five structure to be uncompromising. The question becomes whether the increased investment in that attacking flair is genuinely generating more sustainable, winning phases, or if it's simply creating moments of brilliance that get cancelled out by the structural deficiencies when the opposition resets.
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    FI FixIsInPTSD Newcomer★☆☆☆☆ 28 Oct 2026, 3:00 am Quote

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