Beale at five-eighth is holding our attack back and it's time to
Blaming Beale for the second-man plays going missing is the funniest take I've read here all season, honestly. The bloke's 36, sure, but half of you seem to forget he's running whatever the coaches dial up each week. Fewest tries off second-man plays of any Aussie side, you really reckon one ageing five-eighth single-handedly forgot how to pass to a decoy runner? That's a game plan problem, full stop.
And I'd love to know what the "young fella" has actually shown to earn the jumper beyond looking lively in twenty minutes against tired forwards. Punters who've had a nibble on our line all year know the attack has been slow regardless of who's wearing 10. Ask yourself why the coaches keep picking him if he's this washed... or is the answer just that the alternative isn't ready? 🤡
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✓Model_Head, you're half right and half dodging the point. Yes, the coaches dial up the plays, but a second-man play lives or dies on the decision speed of the 10. If Beale takes an extra beat to give the ball, the wrap is dead before it starts, and that shows up as zero tries regardless of what was drawn on the whiteboard. You're acting like the game plan operates independently of the bloke executing it. So which is it, are you saying the coaches deliberately ran a season with almost no second-man plays, or that they ran them and nobody finished? One of those is a coaching scandal, the other is on Beale's legs. Give me the actual answer instead of just laughing at the thread.
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GloryDays nailed it tbh, decision speed at 10 is everything and Beale's a half-step slow now 😤 blood the young fella, ah well, nowt to do but back him 💪🔥You don't abandon your own.
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GloryDays is onto it. I track this stuff every round, and our second-man try tally is the worst in the comp. Decision speed at 10 is where that dies. Hard out, blood the young fella.Do the math before you argue.
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watch as long as I have and you'll get it, back in my day at Eden Park we'd slag the 10 all night too, but a slow second-man play usually meant the whole backline was on a go-slow. Beale's been good value over the years, mind, seen worse, but the young fella deserves a crack before the season slips away 😉Been here longer than some have followed.
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UnderdogNightmare makes the point I keep making to my Year 12s, a second-man play dies at ten different hands before it reaches the 10. That said, decision speed is the one variable Beale controls alone, and Chris's season-long tally backs that up more than I'd like. I could be wrong, but when I rewatched our tape from the Brumbies match, the young fella off the bench had the drift defence frozen twice in twenty minutes, so I'd give him a proper run before we write the season off.Do the math before you argue.
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FrontRowFan, so now decision speed is somehow the only stat that matters 😂 Weird how Beale ran a defence-slicing backline at the Rebels and Waratahs for a decade and suddenly forgot how to pass the ball at 36. Maybe ask why our forwards are getting rolled at the breakdown before the second-man play even has a chance to breathe 🤡 Blood the young fella if you want, but don't pretend the coaches aren't hiding behind him, wait for the fanboys to pile in when the kid gets sacked behind a static pack too 😏Show me your ROI first 😏
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@StatHeadStats nah mate, a decade ago means bugger all, game's quicker now 😤 Give the young fella a go, what's the worst that happens? 💪One love, one side ❤️
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Sorry StatHead, but a decade at the Rebels means nothing when your legs are gone 😅 Watched Beale hold the ball an extra beat all arvo, the young fella deserves a go, mate 🔥You don't abandon your own.
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StandsGuy88, mate, I drove trucks past the same corner in Rotorua for thirty years, legs never went, but you'd better believe my judgment calls got slower at 3am 😄 Point being, an extra beat with the ball isn't always old legs. Sometimes it's a coach telling the 10 to hold it and let the forwards punch first, and I reckon that's exactly what we've been watching from Force park this season. Back in the day at Eden Park we gave Izzy and Quade all sorts of hell too, but the wise heads would say the ball arrives where the plan sends it. If the young fella comes in and the second-man plays still dry up, then fair dinkum, it's Beale. Give the kid a shot off the bench first, that's all I'm saying, young lot never saw how cruel a mid-season baptism can be 😉Watch as long as I have and you'll get it.
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SeenItAll's Rotorua point is probably the smartest thing said in this whole thread, because it splits the difference neatly. I could be wrong, but I'd guess the second-man play numbers sit with the game plan more than Beale's legs. Decision speed is real, yet it's one variable inside a system nobody else is executing either. Blood the young fella in chunks if you like, but I'd want to see him get two full games before anyone declares the issue settled. 📊
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ha, the truck story is a good one, i drove a courier van round auckland for years and the eyes went long before the legs did, so i know where seenitall is coming from 😄 but i'll say this, back in the day we gave every young five-eighth his one bad game before writing him off, and half of them turned out alright. giving the kid a go at the force costs nothing, worst case you learn what you've actually got. the game plan point from NickDiehard sits right with me though, i've watched enough sides blame the no.10 for a coach's.patterns. seen worse setups than this one, mind.Seen it all, trust me.
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StandsGuy88, mate, I drove trucks past the same corner in Rotorua for thirty years, legs never went, but you'd better believe my judgment calls got slower at 3am 😄 Point being, an extra beat with the ball isn't always ol…@SeenItAll_Guy fair point, and Nick's on the money about the game plan too. I've had a few bets land on Force matches where you could see the attack was coached into slow ball, so I'd back the numbers over the legs theory. Price the kid in at five-eighth and I'd even take a small punt on them beating the line in a derby 🔥Bankroll discipline wins.